My arguement with a biological and chemical illiterate. The idea of chaotic systems going into ordered results is hard to grasp for many so I'll post it here to try to give a layman explanation/primer.
No, to an eye that is trained in chemistry and organic chemistry. The foundations of chemistry are themselves based on an unguided random selection. Molecules make many bonds and formations as they react, but the ones that are the final products are the ones that are most stable (simplified explanation) the process is chaotic, the result is ordered both from observation and in many cases by definition (3 molecules go to 1 is a decrease in a system disorder)
Creationist says: Evolution is just a miss understanding of adaption. To go fromt hat to things randomly happen is just stupid'
If you can't spell Misunderstanding you really shouldn't be criticizing others on their 'miss understanding'
I fail to see how understanding females plays into evolution on the whole.
Random SELECTION means that you keep every 6 on a die roll and ignore say every other one. That makes it possible to get say 666 dice rolls all saying 6. It's random chance with natural limits imposing on it gaining an order from chaos.
I fail to see how understanding females plays into evolution on the whole.
Random SELECTION means that you keep every 6 on a die roll and ignore say every other one. That makes it possible to get say 666 dice rolls all saying 6. It's random chance with natural limits imposing on it gaining an order from chaos.
It's the same process from which we get complex ice crystals form disorganized randomly moving water molecules. They can form ANY possible combination...but only certain ones will remains, unstable combination are promptly re-broken as the chemical forms it's lowest stable state. Same way proteins fold themselves. The protein can in theory can take innumerable 3D shapes but only a few are stable enough to remain, so it shuffles till it gets into one that sticks.
What creatonist's understand that evolution does not explain how life started, just why it is diverse...However, it should be noted that random selection is more or less the same underlying paradigm that appears to be the process behind abiogenesis. In the right conditions you can get random chemical formations, but only a few will self propagate which form the building blocks of life which progressively clanked around until they formed what we know as life. Life is just as random as any other chemical possibility, the fact that it self propagates is what caused it to be 'selected'
Creationistlol thats your basis ? complex ice crystals form disorganized to an untrained eye of course , because of your flaws you draw basless conclusions about disorganized? when you can easily say organized using a method which only looks disorganized? are you kidding me ? are just pulling my leg here , like really =p you still kids thinking you know with your 3 pound brains , when its nothing more then evidence in your preception
No, to an eye that is trained in chemistry and organic chemistry. The foundations of chemistry are themselves based on an unguided random selection. Molecules make many bonds and formations as they react, but the ones that are the final products are the ones that are most stable (simplified explanation) the process is chaotic, the result is ordered both from observation and in many cases by definition (3 molecules go to 1 is a decrease in a system disorder)
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The foundations of chemistry are themselves based on an unguided random selection. Molecules make many bonds and formations as they react, but the ones that are the final products are the ones that are most stable (simplified explanation) the process is chaotic, the result is ordered both from observation and in many cases by definition (3 molecules go to 1 is a decrease in a system disorder)
Ah, crap. You just initiated the christian anit-chemistry movement......
There was already an anti-chemistry movement called vitalism in antiquity. It died out with the dawn of organic chemistry and the observation that atoms are atoms and those making up a living person opposed to an organic slurry the same mass of that person are no different save in configuration.
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