Here's a warning...I will be getting into very obscene language and imagery here. If you're sensitive I actually encourage you to read it because the feelings it hopefully evokes is needed to make my point. I don't condone or like any that I describe...which is the point really. This is why this topic makes me so mad.
A response to my rant in the previous post from an appologist almost made my head asplode.
Heres my answer to all of what you said just now.
Your right...100 percent right. You didn't do anything to go to Hell and burn forever. Not one thing derseves such punishment. The thing is its not about what you do...Men who kill and steal, they will be in Heaven, Good men and Saints, they will be there to. The point is, we are apart from God, the only to him is go across a bridge which is Jesus Christ. How you choose to get over to him is what sends you to Hell. With or with out the bridge?
Yeah that's justice. Good people are sent to hell even if they don't deserve it because they didn't suck up and play to a tyrant's vanity? Bullocks.
He admits that I'm right and it isn't just, If your god is such an immoral monster I think good thought should be put into overthrowing him. By all accounts as an executive officer he has failed his social contractual obligation. He fails to meet Hobb's standards of protection and he fails Locke's of civil rights. If he existed he is an ass. Heyzues forget Sadam, Forget even Hitler. This is a guy who not only is indifferent to his own people, whom by nature of creating them he should have MORE responsability for than your average Junta strong man, he sends innocent people to be tortured forever.
Picture The worst torture you can imagine. Ok, now make it worse. Would you do that to anyone forever and say it's a just and reasonable thing? God, I hope you wouldn't. Hell, by definition is infinity WORSE than that. By supporting this god you are supporting all of the above and far worse.
The bridge he talks is not built on sacrifice and love...but torture and the backs of others. What you have to give for this salvation is not love or an acceptance of a gift as is said, in order to receive heaven you have to condone and give your stamp of approval on the worst rape concentration camp imaginable. You have to say, "yes good people will go to hell, but that's good because some of us chosen will get to heaven". You're crushing others beneath your feet to rise yourself up. You trade your humanity to become complacent in slavery, torture and a form of rape more worthy of the term than any attack or violence on earth.
How dare you support this idea.
How dare ANYONE say that is acceptable much less justice.
How DARE you try to make others feel like shit for not accepting it. How dare you tear down others for having humanity and compassion
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At long last sirs, have you no shame, no sense of decency. Might does not make right
For such a cause I will gladly protest by going into that rape camp, and my last action of free will would be to give you and your Strong Man a one fingered salute.
EDIT: His response
You missed the point...Its not about what you do....Nothing you do will send you to Hell...Your going there good or not. The point is is that God doesn't want you to go there...your already going and its not cause God sends us, its because man has become cursed, we've doomed ourselves. God just wants to save us..."God is not willing that any should perish but all come to repentance."
"For God so loved the world..."
He doesn't want to see you hurt!
"Immoral monster" We are the immoral monser!
Again this is the guy who supposedly makes all the rules. The guy who set up the board with no way to win and blames us. What a vicious cabaret.
You're wrong you agreed that we are NOT immoral monsters. God cannot be good and send people to hell who don't deserve it. That's not a good thing. You should be ashamed of yourself to tell people that. Ashamed.